Proposal to Update Terra Classic (LUNC & USTC) Website Link to terra-classic.io

Suggested refinement:

  1. Sustainability and stability: The domain name is self - funded by an individual. If, for some reason (such as forgetfulness), renewal fails and the official domain name expires and is snatched, the community will suffer huge losses (the longer the time, the greater the losses), along with corresponding solutions.

  2. Transparency and fairness of website content: Mechanisms like having potentially unrelated parties participate in GIT review, merger and release of content, and a reasonable display channel for new innovative projects (through governance rather than bribery), and how to avoid information autocracy.

I’ve removed the Terra-Classic.money v2.0 info banner from v1.0 for the duration of the governance vote, to keep the canonical “website” link free of distractions and optics debates.

v1 remains live and maintained. v2 discussion stays on Agora.

Arguments for not updating Terra Classic (LUNC & USTC) “website” link to terra-classic.io

1) Critical flaws

1.1 Centralization of power at ecosystem-critical level / Single point of failure risk

StrathCole, the creator and domain owner of terra-classic.io (domain custody = ultimate control over the destination), is simultaneously positioned across multiple high-impact infrastructure surfaces within Terra Classic.

Based on publicly observable roles and repos, StrathCole is:

  • One of ~2–3 individuals with effective control over the official Terra Classic GitHub (core chain code governance surface).
  • Operating and controlling the Astroport Classic interface deployment at http://astro.terra-classic.io (domain/subdomain + deployment). The code deployed is in his repositories under his GitHub.
  • A key contributor to Market Module 2.0 code that is planned for Terra Classic implementation.
  • Connected to other ecosystem tooling (e.g., luncdash / related infrastructure) where maintenance and operational access materially affect user experience and information routing.

Even if all parties act in good faith, stacking multiple critical “control planes” (core code + canonical link destination + major tooling) under one operator materially increases systemic risk and sets a precedent that contradicts the stated goal of reducing single points of failure.

Transparency request (for voter risk assessment):

@StrathCole - for transparency and risk management (single-point-of-failure and incentive alignment), can you disclose any other Terra Classic roles or assets you control that materially intersect with routing users/partners via the canonical link (e.g., major infra/tools, endpoints, aggregators), so voters can evaluate concentration risk?

Additionally, the current visible “contributors/maintainers” set for terra-classic.io appears to include multiple validators and project operators. If those contributors are also effectively the maintainers/reviewers (merge rights), that introduces direct incentive alignment and conflict-of-interest risk: the canonical link can influence traffic, reputation, delegations, and downstream revenue.


2) Important omissions

2.1 Failure to adhere to governance rules and etiquette

Two governance-process issues are material:

  • Material revision mid-thread: The proposal’s core rationale and framing were substantially rewritten after the discussion had already started, and then moved to deposit/voting shortly after. This undermines voter clarity because participants were reacting to one version during discussion, while the vote proceeds on a different version.
  • Discussion window: The proposal moved to deposit/voting roughly 3 days after introduction, despite the widely understood governance norm/expectation that proposals should have ~1 week minimum discussionbefore voting to allow review, rebuttals, and disclosures.
  • Proposer voting: Hexxagon/affiliates voting “Yes” on their own proposal is not inherently forbidden, but it does raise governance-hygiene concerns when combined with a shortened discussion period and unresolved disclosure questions. In practice, it reinforces the perception that this process is being rushed rather than consensus-built.

Governance should be especially careful when the decision affects a canonical ecosystem “front door” that many third parties mirror.

2.2 Attempting to construct a misleading narrative (“banner controversy”)

The rationale has been heavily anchored to a narrative that an informational banner linking to a forum fundraising discussion is inherently improper or “non-neutral.”

Key clarifications for voters:

  • A banner that says “v2 in development—read the Agora discussion; support is appreciated” is not inherently a governance breach. It is standard practice across open ecosystems and public goods.
  • Bitcoin.org (the most recognized and arguably most decentralized crypto ecosystem) runs a prominent banner stating the site is community funded and that donations are appreciated. This is widely accepted as normal public-goods funding behavior, not “grifting” or misconduct.
  • Therefore, the “banner = disqualification” logic is not a neutral governance standard. It is a subjective preference held by a small subset of participants, amplified into a governance rationale.

If governance wants standards for canonical destinations, those standards should be operational and symmetric(custody, maintainers, approval policy, incident response), not based on selective optics narratives.

2.3 Distortions regarding decentralization and governance of terra-classic.io

A GitHub PR flow enables contribution proposals; it does not automatically create decentralization.

What matters for decentralization is:

  • who has merge rights,
  • how many approvals are required,
  • how maintainers are appointed/removed,
  • who controls the domain and hosting credentials,
  • what happens in disputes/incidents.

At present, terra-classic.io is still structurally centralized:

  • Domain custody is held by a single operator (StrathCole), meaning ultimate control remains unilateral at the DNS/hosting level.
  • The effective maintainer set appears small (5 people) and includes parties with direct economic incentives (validators/service providers), creating an incentive concentration problem rather than eliminating it.

Calling this “community-owned” without a formalized governance model is, at best, an overstatement.

2.4 Proposal lacks minimum information required for an informed vote

For a canonical destination change, voters need a minimum operating specification. The proposal still does not clearly and explicitly publish, in a voter-visible place:

  • Custody & control (domain registrar, hosting, credentials)
  • Maintainer/reviewer list + merge rights
  • Approval thresholds and policy
  • Maintainer add/remove process
  • Incident response & dispute resolution
  • Migration/comms plan for third parties and users
  • Conflict-of-interest disclosure (validator operations and related infra roles)

Absent these, the vote is not evaluating a governance model; it is evaluating assertions.


3) Arguments of slightly less significance

3.1 User impact and communication chaos across third-party platforms

Changing the canonical link again is not a clean “flip.” It creates months of inconsistent user experience across:

  • exchanges,
  • aggregators,
  • market data sites,
  • wallets,
  • press references,
  • SEO and backlink structure.

Even after a vote passes, third parties update asynchronously. Users will encounter contradictory “official website” links across the internet for an extended period, which is reputationally costly for a chain that already carries post-2022 trust damage.

3.2 Step backward in UX and brand strategy relative to what Terra Classic needs

This is not merely “design preference.” The canonical destination is an onboarding and credibility surface.

Terra Classic is still rebuilding reputation and needs a front door that can compete with top L1 ecosystems on:

  • narrative clarity,
  • onboarding paths for investors/stakers/builders/institutions,
  • conversion-oriented information architecture,
  • consistent brand credibility.

terra-classic.io may be functional as a resource hub, but it does not materially move Terra Classic toward an institution-grade onboarding experience. Meanwhile, terra-classic.money v2 is explicitly being designed to address those shortcomings (multilingual structure, integrated docs UX, guided journeys, stronger narrative/credibility).

Replacing the canonical link with a destination that is not designed to address reputation and onboarding as a first-class goal is a strategic downgrade.

I’m reading this from the sidelines, and it’s terrifying. It all boils down to a simple “And my website is better because…” “And I have a better website because…” “And you did something wrong because…” And I don’t like the left-hand sidebar. And the icon isn’t cool. My brother-in-law, from my aunt’s cousin’s brother’s side, would make a better one. Tomorrow someone else will come and say they have a nicer image and that theirs is better. So what, changing the domain again? It goes on like with Agora? How community is going to benefit, you cooperate in some other way. In a month, someone will bring in another website, and the domain circus will start all over again. And how does that help the community?

Changing the link does not help the community and Blockchain.

Creating professional v2.0 of terra-classic.money could. Check the design and concept:

This prop stems from the owner of terra-classic.money putting up a banner to ask for support of their new V2 site, the banner links back to an Agora post that references several donation wallets, this is basically farming the traffic off the website that was approved by governance to help fund their V2 site, thus why we have pushed to take away that traffic and point it at terra-classic.io to stop this once and for all.

Several validators from a TG chat group, including us, requested the owner to drop the banner and instead got told no, this was before we even put the prop up for vote, so now its up to the community to decide the direction of things.

Its only after the prop has gone up and several hours have passed, that the site owner of terra-classic.money has decided to temporarily remove the banner due to optics, but instead to put it back after the voting is over regardless … like why?

Anyways, with terra-classic.io, the source code is publicly available for anyone to contribute changes to via GitHub PRs, so building out a better site can be done at no cost to the community now, plus there is no hosting cost either.

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Hi @StrathCole,

Quick follow-up for voters, and I’ll keep it simple.

To help the community assess “single point of failure” and conflicts of interest, can you please reply here (by Tuesday, 8pm CET) with a short disclosure covering:

  1. Who controls the terra-classic.io domain + DNS, and who controls the GitHub Pages “production” settings?
    (Registrar/DNS access + the GitHub org/repo admin(s) who can change what goes live)

  2. Who can approve/merge changes to the site? (the people with final access, and how many approvals are needed)

  3. ** Related roles / concentration risk (traffic + influence):

For transparency, voters already know you have several key roles in Terra Classic including:

  • being one of the small set of maintainers with merge rights on the official Terra Classic GitHub
  • A key contributor to Market Module 2.0 code that is planned for Terra Classic implementation.
  • operating and controlling the Astroport Classic interface deployment at astro.terra-classic.io (domain/subdomain + deployment). The code deployed is in repositories under your GitHub.
  • contributing and having access to code to/for tools like Luncdash and miata.io

Apart from those, do you control or materially operate any other major Terra Classic infrastructure or tools that could benefit from (or be influenced by) routing users/partners through the canonical “website” link (e.g., endpoints, aggregators, wallets, explorers, major dApps/services, or any commercial services)?

A simple list is enough.

This is not an accusation. It’s basic transparency so voters can make an informed decision.

Also, we’ve seen you reposting on X and voting on the proposal, so hopefully you have a moment to answer here even if you’re away.

If there’s no response by Tuesday, 8pm CET, voters should treat this risk item as not clarified and weigh that accordingly.

This feels like a repeat of the same mistake made with the Commonwealth forum.

A website is, by nature, centralized and therefore outside the scope of governance. Governance can at most approve funding support, not “officialize” a website.

Using governance for something beyond its reach didn’t work before, and it’s unlikely to work here either.

In practice, this is competition: the website people actually use becomes the closest thing to “official” in the LUNC ecosystem.

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the idea here is to have some website to complete the public profile on CEXes etc. They ask for socials.

but in practice, yes, the most popular website wins. not that i am using the terra-classic.money website (there’s nothing to use really), but I support it to remain as the “official” website because that is something that looks professional for a change.

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The Terra Classic information shown in the CMC listing (including the website link), CoinGecko and other entities, such as major CEXs, is subject to governance as this is what was agreed with those entities as a way of managing that information for a decentralised blockchain, now that TFL no longer have control over it.

Certain obligations (as referenced in this proposal and subsequent discussion) were placed on the website and its operator for the privilege of having the canonical website link set to point to that website.

Whilst you are correct that governance cannot enforce those obligations directly on the website operator, it can decide to change the link if the obligations are broken. That is the purpose of this prop - to ask governance to decide if the infringements that have occurred warrant such a change.

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There is no “broken obligation” here.

The assurance referenced in #12181 was about v1 not becoming a governance funding dependency / requiring future Community Pool spend . That remains true: v1 was built and operated without CP funding , and no CP spend has been requested or executed for v1 or v2.

The now-removed banner (during the vote) did not create any obligation, did not add a paywall, and did not bind governance to anything. It simply pointed to an Agora discussion where optional support was described.

If you @Raider believe a specific obligation was breached, please quote the exact sentence from #12181 and explain precisely how it was violated - because “links to an optional donation discussion” is not the same thing as “requesting governance funding” or “creating a funding dependency.”

If you @DawidSkinder believe that your approach with your v2 website project, where you attempted to use the v1 website, via a promotional banner (now temporarily removed), to give that project a level of prominence (whether that is for the voluntary donations or just increased visibility of the project) that other Terra Classic projects don’t enjoy, and you believe that this complies with the intent and spirit of the previously referenced governance proposals where it was agreed that the canonical link would point to your website which would be a fair and neutral “front door” for the whole of the Terra Classic ecosystem, then I’m sure you have nothing to worry about.

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Raider,

I have nothing to worry about because I did not do anything wrong. I gave Terra Classic a website 6 months ago, after 4 years of lack of digital presence that was the result of governance’s ignorance. And now I am providing logical arguments that focus on clear Terra Classic blockchain values & safety.

I have nothing to worry about - regardless of the vote result.

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Here is my personal view on this.

The website was built independently after Community Pool funding was declined. It was never mandated, paid for, or contractually governed by on-chain governance.

Adding a voluntary donation banner does not turn an open-source, community-driven site into an exploitative or captive project. This is a common practice when work is delivered for free.

The “obligations” being referenced were never clearly defined or formally approved in advance, and invoking them retroactively amounts to rewriting the rules after the work was done.

Removing a site that has been widely adopted by the community in favor of a centrally managed alternative does not solve the problem and runs counter to the decentralized ethos of Terra Classic.

Governance should encourage open initiative and fair competition, not penalize contributors for requesting optional support.

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Fair enough. It was clear to us that there were enough differing viewpoints on this that the community should decide on it through governance, and whatever result governance chooses is the correct result from our perspective.

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The site may be open source and owned by Dawid, but the traffic that was pointed was done so through a governance prop #12181, and it clearly stated in that prop that no funding would further be requested, however, Dawid took it on him self to put a banner up on the V1 site that had governance approved traffic going through it, that linked back to an Agora post with donation wallet addresses in it requesting support, optional or not, this is farming the governance approved traffic.

To compound matters, Dawid was requested by several other validators and community members to remove the banner prior to our prop going up for vote, he flat out refused to do so, all this could of been avoided, but now its up to the community to decide.

The terra-classic.io site changes is done through GitHub PRs, anyone can submit changes freely and without cost, the only centralization to it is the domain, which is the same centralization point for terra-classic.money.

Strath has a proven track record in the Terra Classic community of doing what he says and doing good for the community, without the request of funding, in fact, the guy turns funding down when he really shouldn’t for all the work he has put in.

Had Dawid just not involved the V1 site in supporting and funding the V2 site, then later going through gov. to swap our the V1 for V2 site, there would never of been an issue imho, but he’s taken the “ask for forgiveness later” approach …

NO

  1. I do not agree with the motive behind this proposal, and it is not sufficiently justified.

  2. I believe this proposal is primarily the result of personal misunderstandings and conflicts rather than a clear strategic need.

  3. Considering the current state of the #LunaClassic community, including the distribution of power, permissions, asset ownership, and access to code development = approval of this proposal would likely increase the centralization rather than reduce it.

  4. I do not see any significant benefits that this proposal would bring to the ecosystem.

  5. For Terra Classic ecosystem, I consider the *.money domain to be more appropriate and valuable than *.io

  6. I believe we should focus on improving the existing website instead of introducing such radical changes.

  7. Once again, this proposal sends a public signal of a lack of unity within the community. In my opinion, regardless of the voting result, the very existence of this proposal is harmful.

  8. Funding - This proposal criticizes the current website *.money for “requesting voluntary funding” - Wait… what? Really?

  9. No matter which website will be the “main”, I always think it should be fully funded or supported by the Community Pool. If the website is changed and they ask for Community Pool funds in the future, that would be fine? For me, that would be fine in the case of any approved website… So, I consider it a great paradox to use CP as an argument in this proposal.

  10. I see a strong political context behind this proposal. We should focus on more meaningful and impactful topics rather than voting on changes that, in my view, bring more negatives than positives.

QUESTION:
“What very concrete positive changes does this proposal bring compared to the current situation?”

If no one can provide meaningful reasons and clearly answer this question, then you won’t be able to change my opinion.

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Switching to terra-classic.io allows for anyone from the community to contribute at no cost to the rest of the community via GitHub PRs, with access to the actual website’s source code publicly.

Traffic for terra-classic.io is not being farmed for donations via a banner with links to an Agora post containing donation wallets, keeping things neutral and within the scope of the original prop #12181

Now if an individual such as Dawid wanted to request funding to make changes to the site via donations or even from the CP, they very well could without issues arising from that as they would be an independent party outside the scope of the “no further funding for the site” clause.

Those are the changes this prop brings to the table after it passes imho.

#TerraClassic community,

Voluntary donations are standard across decentralized/open-source ecosystems. A link to an Agora discussion that includes optional donation addresses is not automatically a governance violation.

Examples of decentralized web 3 projects / organizations / entities that actively solicit donations on their websites:

Bitcoin - Open source P2P money
https://ccs.getmonero.org
https://kaspa.org
https://opensats.org
Matrix.org - Support Matrix
Donate to Litecoin Foundation | Support Cryptocurrency Innovation
https://www.protocolguild.org
https://www.foundationfor.art
https://joinmastodon.org
https://support.torproject.org
https://www.namecoin.org
Grin
https://brink.dev
https://btcpayserver.org
https://seedsigner.com



When you use the traffic that was approved based on the “no funding requests” via a governance prop, in our view, its a violation, and from support of the prop thus far, it seems others view it that way as well, along with several validators that requested you remove that banner prior to the prop even going live.